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ПорукаНаслов: 1×22 - Born to Run   1×22 - Born to Run EmptySat Jan 17, 2009 4:57 am

Datum emitovanja - 11.05.2005
Flashback - Kate
Dan - 43
Scenario - Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz
Rezija - Tucker Gates

Recap by Nitobe

Born to run je naslov legendarnog albuma Brusa Springstina iz 1975. godine koji slavi buntovnistvo mladosti. Album je sniman 14 meseci dok je samo pesma Born to run snimana sest meseci. Sam Springstin je kasnije pricao da je za sve to vreme cuo glasove u glavi koje nikako nije uspevao da objasni drugima u studiju!!!

Sirota, mala, lazljiva, prevrtljiva Kejt koja ne preza da dodje do onoga sto hoce na ovaj ili onaj nacin, ali uglavnom na "onaj" nacin.

Ova epizoda je bila prava spanska serija u malom, sa toliko intriga, namestaljki, podvala ciji je glavni akter bila upravo Kejt. Prvo je nahuskala Majkla da mu na splavu ne treba pokvarenjak kao Sojer i to u blizini njegovog deteta i prodala mu pricu kako se ona razume u jedrenje bolje od bilo koga, potom je izradila sebi lazni pasos, i nagovorila San da smucka malo travki kako bi Majkl dobio malo grceva.
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Ubedjen da ga je upravo Sojer otrovao, Majkl ga izbacuje sa splava i uzima Kejt. Posto i za majstora postoji majstor, Sojer shvata o cemu se radi i pred svima otkriva Kejtinu "malu igru". Nevinasce odjednom zaplace i zakuka "Ne zelim da idem u zatvor!!!"
Njen lik mi je nekako oduvek bio najveca enigma u seriji i koliko god se trudio, nikako nisam uspevao da nadjem opravdanja za njene postupke, svesnu ili nesvesnu pozadinu onoga sto je radila, kako na ostrvu tako i van njega, pre i posle pada aviona. Kao da celog zivota bezi od sebe same, praveci gomilu gluposti usput.

Kroz njene flesbekove saznajemo da je godinama u bekstvu, i
da joj to odlicno ide od ruke. Kada ispred onog motela otvara gepek
automobila vidimo da je pun raznovrsnih tablica raznih drzava Amerike i posto promeni tablice, ofarba kosu u motelu dobija pismo i novac za koje i dan danas ne znamo od koga su stigli. Rukopis lici na zenski, a i sama vrsta pisma sa cveticima sa strane govori da je pismo od zenske osobe, ali koje? Ako se malo bolje pogleda pismo (screen sa HD-a) vidi se da se pominje njena majka koja boluje od raka, i da bi trebalo da je obidje. Pocinje da place i krece kod majke u bolnicu.
Tada se kamera vraca ponovo vraca na tablicu auta i tu se zadrzava. Dugo sam lupao glavu sta je na toj tablici toliko bitno sem da je drzava Ohio, grad Selbi. Na kraju sam dosao do zakljucka da nam tablica govori kada se to desilo. Naime, slogan koji se moze videti na tablici "Ohio, the heart of it all" se pisao na tablicama ove drzave od 1985 do 1999. godine da bi 2000. godine bio zamenjen novim sloganom "Ohio, so much to discover"!!!
Dakle, Kejtina poseta majci u bolnici i kasnija pogibija njenog bivseg momka Toma desili su se pre 2000 godine i nikako ne mogu biti smesteni u 2002, sto je navedeno na primer u Lostpediji.


U flesbekovima vidimo zasto je avioncic bio toliko bitan Kejt (ona i Tom su ga zajedno sa drugim stvarima zakopali u "vremenskoj kapsuli" kada su bili klinci), kako je Tom poginuo tokom Kejtinog bekstva iz bolnice posto je njena majka pocela da doziva pomoc videvsi kcerku! Tu vidimo i da Kejt bije kao Brus Li i veoma dobro vozi!

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Na ostrvu, Said dovodi Dzeka do Loka koji mu pokazuje Otvor.
Dzek: "I koliko dugo znas za ovo?"
Lok: "Oko tri nedelje."
Dzek: "Znas za ovo tri nedelje i nisi mi nista rekao!"
Lok: "Uz duzno postovanje Dzek, otkad ja tebi polazem racune?"
Dzek: "Uz duzno postovanje Dzon, ti si lagao!"
Lok: "A koliko dugo si ti cuvao kofer sa oruzjem pre nego sto si odlucio da i mi treba da znamo za to? Ti si iskoristio svoje pravo na diskreciju, a ja svoje takodje!"
Ovde sledi ista razmena pogleda kao u prethodnoj epizodi. Potom, Harlijevom krivicom, koji siroma' ne zna sta kome sme da kaze, Lok saznaje da ga je Dzek lagao i za Kejt.

Jedan od najbitnijim momenata je izmedju Volta i Loka kada Volt dolazi da kaze Loku da nije on otrovao svog oca. Ovde obratite paznju na scenu kada ga Lok uhvati za ruku. Volt se malo trzne, kao da je procitao Lokove misli i kaze mu: "Ne otvarajte ga. Ne otvarajte tu stvar!"
Iako pre toga nije zeleo da napusti ostrvo i cak je zapalio prvi splav koji je Majkl napravio Volt odjednom zeli da ode sa ostrva! Sta je to video u Lokovoj glavi? Zasto je odjednom uplasen? I naravno, pored naznake iz prethodnih epizoda kada je Voltov ocuh rekao da je mali "cudan", i kada smo videli da ono sto pozeli pada mrtvo, ovde jos jednom vidimo da Volt ima neku cudnu i neobjasnjivu moc koja ga odvaja od drugih i koja ga je na neki nacin i privukla ka Loku.
Kada Majkl kaze Voltu da ne moraju da odu sa ostrva ako on to ne zeli, Volt odgovara: "Da, moramo!"

Pogledajte natpis na vratima kada Kejt bezi iz prostorije za magnetnu rezonancu, posto je njena majka dozivala u pomoc - doslovce pise "Magnetic Resonance Imagining", umesto Magnetic Resonance Imaging!
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Prvo sam smatrao da je u pitanju stamparska greska, ali kad bolje razmislim nije! Imaging znaci "stvaranje slike necega, slikanje, fotografisanje" dok Imagining znaci "zamisljanje, izmisljanje, umisljanje, pa cak i nagadjanje. Kada prevedete ono sto pise, a to je "Umisljanje uz pomoc magnetnih talasa" i setite te se elektromagnetizma na ostrvu, ispada da nije slucajno.
Setite se da je Desmond imao samo Mind Travel, a ne i Body Travel.
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Season 1: Episode 22 - “Born to Run”
05/11/2005


A green convertible pulls into the parking lot of a hotel located next to a thriving cornfield and comes to a stop. Although we can’t see her face we see a blonde woman get out of the car and open the trunk. Inside are license plates for at least a dozen states. She very deftly removes the Nebraska plate and replaces it with one from Ohio. In the background, a family is checking out of their room, leaving the door open behind them while the chambermaid pushes her cart along her appointed rounds. Very casually, the blond woman takes her bag and walks right past the departing family. While the maid is in another room, the blond woman takes two towels and two bottles of shampoo from her cart and then slips into the recently vacated room, closing the door behind her and hanging the “Do Not Disturb” sign on the handle.

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We follow the girl inside and watch her go to the sink and remove her shirt. She pulls a bottle of hair coloring out of her bag and begins to apply it to her hair. A moment later we see her in the shower as the excess dye drips down the drain. Her hair is now a dark brown and as she turns to continue washing her hair, we finally get our first look at her face?and it’s Kate!

We follow her to the lobby where she asks the clerk for a letter that should be held there for her. He asks her name. “Joan Hart,” she tells him, and sure enough there is a letter. Back in her car, we see the wad of cash that was enclosed and we realize that this is how she must be surviving on the run. But there is something else with the money this time, a handwritten letter. And something in that letter hits Kate hard because she begins to cry as we go to?

The beach. Kate is playing with the toy plane she so desperately wanted from the case the Marshal was carrying. Charlie comes along and sits beside her and he’s in very good spirits. He explains to Kate that, once the raft sets sail and rescue comes as a result, they are all going to be famous. “Don’t you want to be famous,” Charlie asks. But the look on Kate’s face makes it unnecessary to answer. Further down the beach another of the survivors, Dr. Arzt is explaining that monsoon season is coming any day now and the trade winds will shift directions when it does. Every day they wait to launch increases the chance that they will die out there. Michael decides that tomorrow will be the day to launch and he sets out to make the final arrangements, but Kate is shadowing him the whole way. When he finally asks Kate why she is suddenly so interested in the raft she drops a bombshell on him: “Because I’m coming with you.”

Michael explains that the raft is full. There are 4 spots and those are already spoken for. Kate tries her best to sell herself as the best candidate for the raft and even goes as far as to suggest to Michael that the raft is too dangerous for Walt. But this only edifies Michael’s position. He is the only one who is going to decide what is right for his son. And right now, what’s best is to get him off this island.

We FLASHBACK to a hospital where we see Kate carrying a bouquet of flowers down the hall. She is heading for a certain room when she spots a police officer sitting guard in front of the door. She quickly blocks herself from view with the flowers and walks right by, pretending to be going somewhere else.

Later, a doctor heads to his car in the parking structure after a long day at work. As he climbs in we hear a voice from the back seat: “Hi, Tom.” After his initial scare, Tom recognizes Kate. He asks her what she is doing there and she tells him Diane is dying of cancer and she thought she owed it to her to come and see her. But she needs his help?

Back on the island, Jin is making some last minute adjustments to the rigging when Sun approaches and asks him if he is going to be leaving on the raft. He admits that he is, causing Sun to turn and walk away.

Meanwhile, Sayid is leading Jack through the jungle where they finally meet up with Locke. Jack and Locke still carry a palpable distrust and Jack is very suspicious as Locke asks him to follow him. Jack does and they reveal the hatch, much further along in its excavation. This is the first time Jack has seen it and his reaction is profound. Locke is typically understated: “I guess it’s time we talked about this?”

Back at the raft Sawyer asks Michael why they need to pack so much salted fish, can’t they just catch their own on the raft? Michael begins to wonder just how fit Sawyer is for the duty and admits that he has other interested parties. This gets Sawyer over to Kate in a hurry and when he arrives we see her burning the protective coating off of a passport, which she quickly hides once Sawyer arrives. Sawyer lays it out in plain English: Don’t mess with me. He tells her he knows who she really is and how badly she needs to get on that raft, but that just isn’t going to happen. No way. Kate’s response is even more to the point. “I want your spot, I’ll get your spot.”

Back at the raft, Michael is taking a much deserved water break and explaining to Walt that it might be difficult to send help back to an island this remote. As he is doing so, he keels over in pain. Something is very wrong. Walt runs through the jungle looking for help and finds Sun and Kate. He tells them what is wrong and Kate sends Sun back to Michael with Walt while she runs off to try and find Jack.

But Jack is at the hatch and he’s not too happy to find out about this so late in the game. He demands to know why Locke kept this from him for three weeks. Locke asks Jack how long he knew about the guns in the Marshal’s case before he decided to tell the rest of them. “So how do we open it,” Jack asks, but this sends Sayid into a frenzy. He brought Jack out here to talk Locke out of trying to open the hatch. Besides, Sayid asks, if the door was meant to be opened, why doesn’t it have a handle on the outside?

While making their way back, Locke, Jack and Sayid finally bump into Kate, who tells them about the problem with Michael. Once back, they find Michael in dire condition. Jack tries to make his diagnosis, but all Michael has been doing is eating the same food and drinking the same water as everyone else. Adding to his agony, Michael is ordered to stay on his back until Jack can get more information.

In FLASHBACK, we see Kate looking at some snapshots stuck to the refrigerator door with magnets. They show the doctor with a lovely woman and a beautiful baby boy. Tom tells Kate that his name is Connor and we can see how idyllic his life is. And how much that life lays in contrast to Kate’s. Tom says that he managed to get Diane into the MRI room at 5am and that Kate should get some private time with her then. When they realize that they have 3 hours to kill, Kate asks Tom a cryptic question: “Do you think it’s still there?” Tom’s car pulls to the base of a tree in the middle of a cow pasture. They remove two shovels out of the trunk, walk off six paces and begin to dig.

Back on the island, Jack and Locke are trying to diagnose Michael. Jack inspects the empty water bottles from the camp and finds some suspicious residue at the bottom of one of the bottles. He races back to Michael and tells him not to drink out of any bottles except the one Jack gives him. Michael catches on and immediately tells Jack that Sawyer is the only one he feels had the motivation to poison him - - in retaliation for possibly replacing him on the raft. Meanwhile, Hurley accidentally tells Locke that Kate is a fugitive. This is turning out to be a day full of surprises.

Claire is giving Charlie a haircut while he serenades the baby and they fantasize about what they are going to do first after they get rescued. Charlie invites her to come and stay with him until she figures out what she wants to do next. When she accepts, Charlie is visibly pleased.

Kate catches up with Jack at the caves and asks if someone is going to be taking his place on the raft. This prompts Jack to ask her if she poisoned Michael. Kate asks Jack if he thinks she is capable of that, but she doesn’t get the answer she is looking for. “I don’t know what you’re capable of.”

And off this we FLASHBACK to that field where Kate and Tom are still digging. Kate’s shovel hits something metal and they pull something totally unexpected out of the ground. We get a closer look as they open the box and it’s?a time capsule. Inside are the treasures of two children among which is? the toy airplane. And wait a minute, but it’s Tom’s! Kate finds an audiocassette and as these two sit in the car and listen to themselves as children, we learn that they were more than just friends — they loved each other. And the moment leads to a kiss that is 15 years overdue. But things have changed for both of them and Tom starts the car to head back towards the hospital.

Back on the island, Locke is applying a homemade ointment to a leg injury when Walt arrives. He wants to tell Locke something — he didn’t poison his father. He may have burned the first raft, but he had nothing to do with this. When Locke comes over to take his hand and tell him they are friends and not to worry, something happens to Walt. Locke can see his face go slack and he asks him what is wrong. “Don’t open it,” Walt says. And now it’s Locke’s face that goes slack. “Don’t open that thing!”

Sawyer delivers a bottle of antacid to Michael in the hopes that it will solidify his spot on the raft, but the idea backfires when Michael accuses Sawyer of poisoning him and kicks him off the raft. “You’re a liar and a criminal,” says Michael, but Sawyer isn’t about to take this lying down. “Oh, I’m a criminal,” Sawyer says. Kate is watching this exchange from a distance and Sawyer goes over to her and brings her to Michael. He takes the bag from her shoulder and dumps it out. And what does he find, but the passport Kate was forging earlier. It belonged to Joanna, the woman who drowned in episode 103. Sawyer outs Kate to the entire camp telling them that she was the fugitive with the Marshal and that she will do anything to anyone in order to remain free. “She doesn’t care about anyone but herself!”

But as we FLASHBACK to the hospital we see that isn’t true. Kate as risked everything to come and see this woman in the hospital and as Tom wheels her in to a room on a gurney, Kate is finally allowed to get close to her. “Mom? It’s me, Katie.”

Oh. My. God. This is Kate’s MOM! And as she regains consciousness and recognizes her daughter — and while Kate begins to tearfully apologize for putting her mother through “all this” — and while we are trying to take all this in, Kate’s mother begins to speak. Just a single word at first and barely a whisper: “Help.” Kate tells her it’s going to be okay, but she continues, a little louder each time until she is screaming for help. Is her mother afraid of her? The noise attracts some unwanted attention and Kate a security guard arrives. When he fails to believe Kate’s cover story, she is forced to knock him out with his walkie-talkie. Tom arrives to find the guard on the ground and asks Kate what happened. “I need your car keys,” Kate says. The two go racing to the garage and Kate climbs into the driver’s seat with Tom taking the passenger side. We can already hear the sirens of the approaching police as they race down the garage, but they are too late — a police car has blocked the exit and the officer driving it has his weapon drawn. This is it?

Kate tells Tom to get out, but he refuses. Tom pleads with Kate to turn herself in; they’ll ask the court to be lenient. It’s her only chance for a normal life someday. But if we know anything about Kate it is this: She will do almost anything to get away. She tells him this is his last chance, but Tom refuses to budge. Kate GUNS the engine and the office gets of several shots before is car is rammed out of the way and Kate is past him. And it looks as if they might make it until another car slams into them, disabling their car. When Kate recovers from the impact she reaches over to make sure that Tom is okay?but he isn’t. One of the officer’s bullets hit Tom in the chest and he sits there, dead in the passenger seat. Kate barely has a moment to process the horror of what just happened - - of what she has just done when the other police cars start to arrive. She catches a glance of Tom’s toy airplane in the backseat and considers climbing back for it, but realizes that she doesn’t have the time. Quick as a flash, she is out of the car and running again, but something tells us no matter how fast she runs, she will never get away from this.

And back on the beach, Kate is still there, suffering under the newly hostile stares of the entire camp. She tries to resurrect herself by coming clean and she tells everyone, for the first time that she was the one the Marshal was transporting. “But I didn’t poison you,” she tells Michael. But it’s too late. The camp has a new pariah now. And as the other survivors walk away from her, she realizes that things will never be quite the same again.

Jack finds Sun leaning against a tree watching her husband make the final adjustments to the raft. Jack asks her if she wants Jin to stay and when she admits that she does, he asks if that is the reason she tried to poison him. It’s an easy enough mistake, Jin and Michael work together all day — it would be very easy to get the water bottles mixed up. Sun breaks down and admits that she doesn’t want him to die out on the raft, so she mixed just enough of the poison to make him sick. She didn’t know what else to do. Jack promises not to tell anyone about it, but he offers Sun some advice. “He’s going. If I were you, I’d say goodbye.”

And as that lands on Sun we catch up with Kate at the fire. Seems she has it all to herself this evening. That is until Sawyer comes to deliver a post-mortem. Sawyer tells Kate he is back on the raft and that Michael has rallied and will indeed launch the raft tomorrow. Kate asks Sawyer why it’s so important for him to be on the raft and when Sawyer answers it’s difficult to tell if he is answering a question?or asking one of his own. “Because there ain’t anything on this island worth staying for.”

Walt makes his way over to his father who is recovering next to his fire by the raft. He tells Walt not to worry, that they will be sailing away home in no time when Walt makes a startling admission: “I’m the one that burned the raft.” As Michael sits in stunned silence, Walt explains that he didn’t want to leave and that he thought he could stop them from leaving by getting rid of the raft. Michael processes this and tells Walt that they can stay behind on the island if that is what Walt wants. “We don’t have to leave,” he says. But Walt’s reply sends a chill down our spines.

“Yes we do.”

And as Kate sits alone in her tent, reflecting on a very, very bad day, Sun arrives. She tells Kate that Jack knows about the poison. But what she says next knocks us for a loop: “I didn’t tell him it was your idea,” she says. Kate thanks her and Sun explains that there was no reason to punish her; she was only trying to help. And as the two ladies sit alone, Sun opens up in a way we rarely get to see. She tells Kate that, when she was a little girl she was a little girl she believed that once she found the man she loved, she would be happy?forever.

“Yeah,” Kate says?”Me too.”
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ПорукаНаслов: Re: 1×22 - Born to Run   1×22 - Born to Run EmptyWed Sep 09, 2009 3:40 am

Born to run je naslov legendarnog albuma Brusa Springstina iz 1975. godine koji slavi buntovnistvo mladosti. Album je sniman 14 meseci dok je samo pesma Born to run snimana sest meseci. Sam Springstin je kasnije pricao da je za sve to vreme cuo glasove u glavi koje nikako nije uspevao da objasni drugima u studiju!!!

Sirota, mala, lazljiva, prevrtljiva Kejt koja ne preza da dodje do onoga sto hoce na ovaj ili onaj nacin, ali uglavnom na "onaj" nacin. Ova epizoda je bila prava spanska serija u malom, sa toliko intriga, namestaljki, podvala ciji je glavni akter bila upravo Kejt.
Prvo je nahuskala Majkla da mu na splavu ne treba pokvarenjak kao Sojer i to u blizini njegovog deteta i prodala mu pricu kako se ona razume u jedrenje bolje od bilo koga, potom je izradila sebi lazni pasos, i nagovorila San da smucka malo travki kako bi Majkl dobio malo grceva. Ubedjen da ga je upravo Sojer otrovao, Majkl ga izbacuje sa splava i uzima Kejt. Posto i za majstora postoji majstor, Sojer shvata o cemu se radi i pred svima otkriva Kejtinu "malu igru". Nevinasce odjednom zaplace i zakuka "Ne zelim da idem u zatvor!!!"
Njen lik mi je nekako oduvek bio najveca enigma u seriji i koliko god se trudio, nikako nisam uspevao da nadjem opravdanja za njene postupke, svesnu ili nesvesnu pozadinu onoga sto je radila, kako na ostrvu tako i van njega, pre i posle pada aviona. Kao da celog zivota bezi od sebe same, praveci gomilu gluposti usput.
Kroz njene flesbekove saznajemo da je godinama u bekstvu, i da joj to odlicno ide od ruke. Kada ispred onog motela otvara gepek automobila vidimo da je pun raznovrsnih tablica raznih drzava Amerike i posto promeni tablice, ofarba kosu u motelu dobija pismo i novac za koje i dan danas ne znamo od koga su stigli. Rukopis lici na zenski, a i sama vrsta pisma sa cveticima sa strane govori da je pismo od zenske osobe, ali koje? Ako se malo bolje pogleda pismo (screen sa HD-a) vidi se da se pominje njena majka koja boluje od raka, i da bi trebalo da je obidje. Pocinje da place i krece kod majke u bolnicu.
Tada se kamera vraca ponovo vraca na tablicu auta i tu se zadrzava. Dugo sam lupao glavu sta je na toj tablici toliko bitno sem da je drzava Ohio, grad Selbi. Na kraju sam dosao do zakljucka da nam tablica govori kada se to desilo. Naime, slogan koji se moze videti na tablici "Ohio, the heart of it all" se pisao na tablicama ove drzave od 1985 do 1999. godine da bi 2000. godine bio zamenjen novim sloganom "Ohio, so much to discover"!!!
Dakle, Kejtina poseta majci u bolnici i kasnija pogibija njenog bivseg momka Toma desili su se pre 2000 godine i nikako ne mogu biti smesteni u 2002, sto je navedeno na primer u Lostpediji.
U flesbekovima vidimo zasto je avioncic bio toliko bitan Kejt (ona i Tom su ga zajedno sa drugim stvarima zakopali u "vremenskoj kapsuli" kada su bili klinci), kako je Tom poginuo tokom Kejtinog bekstva iz bolnice posto je njena majka pocela da doziva pomoc videvsi kcerku! Tu vidimo i da Kejt bije kao Brus Li i veoma dobro vozi!

Na ostrvu, Said dovodi Dzeka do Loka koji mu pokazuje Otvor.
Dzek: "I koliko dugo znas za ovo?"
Lok: "Oko tri nedelje."
Dzek: "Znas za ovo tri nedelje i nisi mi nista rekao!"
Lok: "Uz duzno postovanje Dzek, otkad ja tebi polazem racune?"
Dzek: "Uz duzno postovanje Dzon, ti si lagao!"
Lok: "A koliko dugo si ti cuvao kofer sa oruzjem pre nego sto si odlucio da i mi treba da znamo za to? Ti si iskoristio svoje pravo na diskreciju, a ja svoje takodje!"
Ovde sledi ista razmena pogleda kao u prethodnoj epizodi.
Potom, Harlijevom krivicom, koji siroma' ne zna sta kome sme da kaze, Lok saznaje da ga je Dzek lagao i za Kejt.
Jedan od najbitnijim momenata je izmedju Volta i Loka kada Volt dolazi da kaze Loku da nije on otrovao svog oca. Ovde obratite paznju na scenu kada ga Lok uhvati za ruku. Volt se malo trzne, kao da je procitao Lokove misli i kaze mu: "Ne otvarajte ga. Ne otvarajte tu stvar!"
Iako pre toga nije zeleo da napusti ostrvo i cak je zapalio prvi splav koji je Majkl napravio Volt odjednom zeli da ode sa ostrva! Sta je to video u Lokovoj glavi? Zasto je odjednom uplasen? I naravno, pored naznake iz prethodnih epizoda kada je Voltov ocuh rekao da je mali "cudan", i kada smo videli da ono sto pozeli pada mrtvo, ovde jos jednom vidimo da Volt ima neku cudnu i neobjasnjivu moc koja ga odvaja od drugih i koja ga je na neki nacin i privukla ka Loku.
Kada Majkl kaze Voltu da ne moraju da odu sa ostrva ako on to ne zeli, Volt odgovara:
"Da, moramo!"

Pogledajte natpis na vratima kada Kejt bezi iz prostorije za magnetnu rezonancu, posto je njena majka dozivala u pomoc - doslovce pise "Magnetic Resonance Imagining", umesto Magnetic Resonance Imaging!
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Prvo sam smatrao da je u pitanju stamparska greska, ali kad bolje razmislim nije! Imaging znaci "stvaranje slike necega, slikanje, fotografisanje" dok Imagining znaci "zamisljanje, izmisljanje, umisljanje, pa cak i nagadjanje. Kada prevedete ono sto pise, a to je "Umisljanje uz pomoc magnetnih talasa" i setite te se elektromagnetizma na ostrvu, ispada da nije slucajno.
Setite se da je Desmond imao samo Mind Travel, a ne i Body Travel.
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Najprikladniji prevod za zamisljanje je zamisljanje....
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Цитат :
Njen lik mi je nekako oduvek bio najveca enigma
u seriji i koliko god se trudio, nikako nisam uspevao da nadjem
opravdanja za njene postupke, svesnu ili nesvesnu pozadinu onoga sto je
radila, kako na ostrvu tako i van njega, pre i posle pada aviona. Kao
da celog zivota bezi od sebe same, praveci gomilu gluposti usput.

Zensko je to 1×22 - Born to Run 107621 !!

Цитат :
Jedan od najbitnijim momenata je izmedju Volta i
Loka kada Volt dolazi da kaze Loku da nije on otrovao svog oca. Ovde
obratite paznju na scenu kada ga Lok uhvati za ruku. Volt se malo
trzne, kao da je procitao Lokove misli i kaze mu: "Ne otvarajte ga. Ne otvarajte tu stvar!"Iako pre toga nije zeleo da napusti ostrvo i cak
je zapalio prvi splav koji je Majkl napravio Volt odjednom zeli da ode
sa ostrva! Sta je to video u Lokovoj glavi? Zasto je odjednom uplasen?Kada Majkl kaze Voltu da ne moraju da odu sa ostrva ako on to ne zeli, Volt odgovara:"Da, moramo!"
Hvala ti nitobe na ovom podsecanju.Zbog ovoga sam i ja sinoc odgledao
ovu epizodu.Zaista se stice utisak da u telu Johna Lockea nekada
prevladava razum i postupci pravog Locka,a nekada 'drugog' Locka.
Цитат :
Pogledajte natpis na vratima kada Kejt bezi iz
prostorije za magnetnu rezonancu, posto je njena majka dozivala u pomoc
- doslovce pise "Magnetic Resonance Imagining", umesto Magnetic Resonance Imaging!
Greska ili ne (ja ne znam) ali jedno je sidurno:U nemogucnosti da sama
ode na MRI,Tom zbog Kate sredjuje njnoj majci isti pustupak.Sam proces
MRI imao je za cilj prikazati trenutno stanje novonastale
tvorevine(tumora),a da li je jako polje elektromagnetizma napravilo
njenoj majci efekat Mind Travela kao kod Desmonda nisam siguran.U praksi takav slucaj nije zabelezen,ali ovo je Lost!

nitobe da li si primetio,ova kutija koju su iskopali ispod drveta je ustvari kutija koju je platio Jacob u onoj radnji,a njen mali prijatelj iz te radnje je ustvari ovaj Tom!
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Razmisljao sam o tome kada sam gledao, ali posto mi je peta sezona kod prijatelja na gledanju, nisam mogao da uporedim, ali cini se kao da stvarno jeste tako. Postavicu ovih dana screenove obe kutije pa cemo videti. Ali mislim da ce ispasti da si 100% u pravu.
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Potpuno si u pravu - Kutija na kojoj pise i nalazi se slika New Kids on the block - skinuo sam sa net-a:
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Jedino sto mi ovde nije jasno je vremenski period. Kutiju su zakopali 15 Avgusta 1989, kada je Kejt imala 12 godina. Lostpedia kaze da je rodjena 1977. U the incident ima negde izmedju 8 i 10 godina (rekao bih po izgledu), a problem je sto je to onda negde izmedju 1985 i 1987, vreme kada ovakve kutije nisu postojale, to jest New Kids on the Block su tek radili demo snimke. Tacnije ovakve kutije su se prodavale od 1990 godine. Sustina je da je to ista kutija, a da pisci nisu bas mnogo razmisljali kad su New kids on the block postali popularni i kada su ovakve stvari pocele da se prodaju, cak stavise njihova slika je negde iz 1992, kada su bili na vrhuncu popularnosti, cak mozda i kasnije!!!
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Moram opet da se vratim na one tablice sa Kejtinog auta. Cesljao sam malo po net-u ukucavsi broj tablica dosao do nekog foruma koji nema veze sa Lostom nego je neki opsti forum o TV-u. Tamo sam nasao post coveka iz Ohaja odmah posle premijere epizode 2005 kome su iste tablice upale u oci ali drugi detalj:

"Ovde u Ohaju su nekad pisali ime okruga odakle ste na tablicama, kao sto je ovde Selbi, ali to se ne radi vec mnogo godina unazad. Tako da je za mene, kao stanovnika Ohaja to pokazalo da se dogadjaj desio davno."

U sestoj sezoni cemo tek videti ko je Kejt. Ovo me je vec nateralo da njuskam jos malo. Ma definitivno nije nikakva greska ni sa kutijama - pa nisu valjda tolike neznalice. Nesto u vezi njene proslosti ne stima, ali videcemo sta.
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